Comments for Old Baptist Press http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:55:37 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on The Effects of the Gospel by oldbaptist http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-55 oldbaptist Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:55:37 +0000 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-55 David, These are some of the thoughts that come to my mind when thinking of these particular verses. I will start with the phillipian jailor. This man was about to take his own life as he thought that the prisoners had escaped. If those prisoners would had escaped then the Romans would had tortured this man, and possibly his family as well. When they cried out to him and told him to stop, he said what must I do to be saved. I don't see how this could possibly be an eternal text. This man was worried about being tortured here on earth and was going to take his life unless there was some other way to be delivered "saved" from the torment he would recieve. They told him to believe in the Lord and he woud be saved. Saved from what the torment. He and his house. Do you believe that the faith of this man would save his family eternally? I would guess you don't believe that. I would guess that you would believe on the other hand that your faith in Christ would deliever your family from many things in life though. That is my take on that verse. As pertaining to Mark 16:16. First I want to go to John 5:24. He that heareth my word and believeth on him that sent me, HATH everlasting life. This verse ,clearly an eternal context, states that if you believe you, hath (already in possetion of) eternal life. I believe that there is salvation in hearing the gospel. Salvation just means deliverance. If you are saved you are delivered. They were told to go and preach the good news of what our saviour had done for those he loved to the gentiles. They could not know of what the lord had done unless some one told them. This what they were commanded to do. Those that are a child of God will rejoice to hear the Gospel. Those that believe the good news will be delivered from there sinful life and have a new master to follow and will know better how to serve their lord. Does it change the fact that the lord died for them if they believe it, No. Christ died to put away the sins of his people so that they could be Holy and without blame before him as he chose them to be before the foundation of the world. The gospel delivers them from some of the sorrows of this world and lets you know how much your saviour loved you that he loved you enough to die for YOU. Not just anybody but for YOU. You hath he quickened who were dead in trespasses and in sin. How can a dead man make a choice to become alive? Unless the spirit of God is placed in us we cannot make a choice to follow after him. We died when Adam died in the garden. If you eat of this fruit you shall surely die. We are spiritually dead until that spirit is placed in us. I'm sorry for the lenghthy reply but this topic is very near to my heart. I'm very thankful for what the lord has done for me. It brings great joy to my heart to know that God died to take MY sins away. Not just any one but for me. Despite my ugly sins and wrong doings He died for me when I deserve to go to hell and burn for eternity. He cast my sins away never to be remembered again. I certainly apprecitate your comments as it causes me to dig deeper and to remember these things that I studied very diligently before I came to understand them. May God Bless You in your studies, Philip David,
These are some of the thoughts that come to my mind when thinking of these particular verses. I will start with the phillipian jailor. This man was about to take his own life as he thought that the prisoners had escaped. If those prisoners would had escaped then the Romans would had tortured this man, and possibly his family as well. When they cried out to him and told him to stop, he said what must I do to be saved. I don’t see how this could possibly be an eternal text. This man was worried about being tortured here on earth and was going to take his life unless there was some other way to be delivered “saved” from the torment he would recieve. They told him to believe in the Lord and he woud be saved. Saved from what the torment. He and his house. Do you believe that the faith of this man would save his family eternally? I would guess you don’t believe that. I would guess that you would believe on the other hand that your faith in Christ would deliever your family from many things in life though. That is my take on that verse.

As pertaining to Mark 16:16. First I want to go to John 5:24. He that heareth my word and believeth on him that sent me, HATH everlasting life. This verse ,clearly an eternal context, states that if you believe you, hath (already in possetion of) eternal life. I believe that there is salvation in hearing the gospel. Salvation just means deliverance. If you are saved you are delivered. They were told to go and preach the good news of what our saviour had done for those he loved to the gentiles. They could not know of what the lord had done unless some one told them. This what they were commanded to do. Those that are a child of God will rejoice to hear the Gospel. Those that believe the good news will be delivered from there sinful life and have a new master to follow and will know better how to serve their lord. Does it change the fact that the lord died for them if they believe it, No. Christ died to put away the sins of his people so that they could be Holy and without blame before him as he chose them to be before the foundation of the world. The gospel delivers them from some of the sorrows of this world and lets you know how much your saviour loved you that he loved you enough to die for YOU. Not just anybody but for YOU.

You hath he quickened who were dead in trespasses and in sin. How can a dead man make a choice to become alive? Unless the spirit of God is placed in us we cannot make a choice to follow after him. We died when Adam died in the garden. If you eat of this fruit you shall surely die. We are spiritually dead until that spirit is placed in us.

I’m sorry for the lenghthy reply but this topic is very near to my heart. I’m very thankful for what the lord has done for me. It brings great joy to my heart to know that God died to take MY sins away. Not just any one but for me. Despite my ugly sins and wrong doings He died for me when I deserve to go to hell and burn for eternity. He cast my sins away never to be remembered again.

I certainly apprecitate your comments as it causes me to dig deeper and to remember these things that I studied very diligently before I came to understand them.

May God Bless You in your studies,
Philip

]]> Comment on The Effects of the Gospel by David Oates http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-54 David Oates Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:34:34 +0000 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-54 Philip, Why when the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas what he must do to be saved did Paul not tell him he was already saved? (See Acts 16) What was the answer Paul gave him? "BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be (will be [future tense]) saved, and thy house." If what you have said is true, then were Paul and Silas being deceitful or were they telling an outright lie? They never, never, never said that he was already saved. They told him he would saved only AFTER he believed - not before. Jesus said in Mark 16:16 after telling the disciples to "preach the gospel to every creature; he that BELIEVETH and is baptized SHALL BE (future tense) SAVED." How come Jesus did not say a person will believe because they have been saved? I am not aware of any verse that says salvation comes before faith. However, there are numerous examples I can think of that state that faith, or belief, comes before salvation. I would like to know your thoughts on the Philippian jailer and Mark 16:16. David Philip,

Why when the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas what he must do to be saved did Paul not tell him he was already saved? (See Acts 16) What was the answer Paul gave him? “BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be (will be [future tense]) saved, and thy house.” If what you have said is true, then were Paul and Silas being deceitful or were they telling an outright lie? They never, never, never said that he was already saved. They told him he would saved only AFTER he believed – not before. Jesus said in Mark 16:16 after telling the disciples to “preach the gospel to every creature; he that BELIEVETH and is baptized SHALL BE (future tense) SAVED.” How come Jesus did not say a person will believe because they have been saved? I am not aware of any verse that says salvation comes before faith. However, there are numerous examples I can think of that state that faith, or belief, comes before salvation. I would like to know your thoughts on the Philippian jailer and Mark 16:16.

David

]]> Comment on He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life. by oldbaptist http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/he-that-believeth-on-the-son-hath-everlasting-life/#comment-53 oldbaptist Sun, 11 Nov 2007 04:05:28 +0000 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/he-that-believeth-on-the-son-hath-everlasting-life/#comment-53 Thomas, I would first like to apologize for the length of time it has taken me to reply to your comment. Even if we took your view on this particular verse, you would still have to say that the other verses used would say that if you believe you already have. “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” I do believe that we have a free will in this life. I do not believe that I had a choice in whether or not I was created. I was created whether I liked it or not. You could say I was forced to be created. I didn’t choose who my parents are, you could say I was forced to be born of my parents. There are many things that we are “forced” to do. On the other hand since I was born and I do have parents, I choose to love them. I chose to get married and have kids. I choose to worship God. My eternal home was not chosen by me. If it was by my choosing, a work I might add, then I would be damned to hell. There is none righteous no not one. If it was up to our choosing we would do the same as Adam did, he chose wrong. I believe that there is joy in hearing the gospel of our salvation, knowing the work that was done on the cross. Knowing that someone loved me enough to die on that cross and take away my sin’s. I worship him because he first loved me. I didn’t chose him he chose me. I just choose to worship him while I’m he on this sin cursed earth. Read Romans9:11-13. Jacob have I loved Esau have I hated. For the children being not yet born, having done no good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of him that calleth. Choose is a verb, verb is an action, action is a work. To tell me that someone must hear the the good news of their salvation in order for them to have salvation makes no sense at all. Let me tell you what the Lord has done for you, but he only did it if you accept it. He either did it or He didn’t, which is it? I greatly appreciate your comments and hope that my explanation is clear. We have good and gracious God. He did what had to be done to save those that He loves. May God bless you!!! Philip Thomas,
I would first like to apologize for the length of time it has taken me to reply to your comment.
Even if we took your view on this particular verse, you would still have to say that the other verses used would say that if you believe you already have. “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” I do believe that we have a free will in this life. I do not believe that I had a choice in whether or not I was created. I was created whether I liked it or not. You could say I was forced to be created. I didn’t choose who my parents are, you could say I was forced to be born of my parents. There are many things that we are “forced” to do. On the other hand since I was born and I do have parents, I choose to love them. I chose to get married and have kids. I choose to worship God. My eternal home was not chosen by me. If it was by my choosing, a work I might add, then I would be damned to hell. There is none righteous no not one. If it was up to our choosing we would do the same as Adam did, he chose wrong. I believe that there is joy in hearing the gospel of our salvation, knowing the work that was done on the cross. Knowing that someone loved me enough to die on that cross and take away my sin’s. I worship him because he first loved me. I didn’t chose him he chose me. I just choose to worship him while I’m he on this sin cursed earth. Read Romans9:11-13. Jacob have I loved Esau have I hated. For the children being not yet born, having done no good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of him that calleth. Choose is a verb, verb is an action, action is a work. To tell me that someone must hear the the good news of their salvation in order for them to have salvation makes no sense at all. Let me tell you what the Lord has done for you, but he only did it if you accept it. He either did it or He didn’t, which is it?
I greatly appreciate your comments and hope that my explanation is clear. We have good and gracious God. He did what had to be done to save those that He loves. May God bless you!!!

Philip

]]> Comment on He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life. by Jones http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/he-that-believeth-on-the-son-hath-everlasting-life/#comment-44 Jones Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:13:59 +0000 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/he-that-believeth-on-the-son-hath-everlasting-life/#comment-44 I have to differ on your notion that "faith" is a fruit of the spirit. Galatians 5:22 says that "faithfulness" is a fruit of the Spirit and clearly faithfulness is not the same as faith. They are related, but faithfulness is more like trustworthy than "belief" and so no, faith in Christ does not come from just the Spirit. That being said, when a person hears the word of God and chooses to accept it, the keyword being "chooses", then the Spirit will come to him and help his believe and faith. But its a human choice. God created us different from Angels in that we have a choice to sin/live as we please. Angels do not have that choice. Therefore, what you are saying cannot be true because if everyone would eventually automatically have "faith" and then everlasting life... what makes us different from the angels? God created man to WILLING Choose and worship him. So man, the sinful creature, when he chooses to believe in his master and creator, the master is more than ready to bring the man into his glory and eternal life. But if the man doesnt want it, why would God force him?? After all, we were created with free will.... I have to differ on your notion that “faith” is a fruit of the spirit. Galatians 5:22 says that “faithfulness” is a fruit of the Spirit and clearly faithfulness is not the same as faith. They are related, but faithfulness is more like trustworthy than “belief” and so no, faith in Christ does not come from just the Spirit.

That being said, when a person hears the word of God and chooses to accept it, the keyword being “chooses”, then the Spirit will come to him and help his believe and faith. But its a human choice. God created us different from Angels in that we have a choice to sin/live as we please. Angels do not have that choice. Therefore, what you are saying cannot be true because if everyone would eventually automatically have “faith” and then everlasting life… what makes us different from the angels?

God created man to WILLING Choose and worship him. So man, the sinful creature, when he chooses to believe in his master and creator, the master is more than ready to bring the man into his glory and eternal life. But if the man doesnt want it, why would God force him?? After all, we were created with free will….

]]> Comment on The Effects of the Gospel by oldbaptist http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-26 oldbaptist Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:51:48 +0000 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-26 Josh, I appreciate your comment. Pertaiing to your statement about God's calling being through the gospel. I would have to say there is a calling in the gospel, I would call it a gospel call, and there is also an effectual call. If you would notice that this calling in 1Thess. 2:13-14 is a call of people who already believe. "worketh also in you that believe." This "call" that the gospel has is only effective to those that believe. 2 Tim 1:9 talks of a call that is of God, I would describe it as an effectual call. "Who hath saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began," And this calling is "made manfest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:" I don't know if that is what you trying to say or not, but that is my belief on the gospel call. I greatly appreciate your comments. Philip Josh,
I appreciate your comment.

Pertaiing to your statement about God’s calling being through the gospel. I would have to say there is a calling in the gospel, I would call it a gospel call, and there is also an effectual call. If you would notice that this calling in 1Thess. 2:13-14 is a call of people who already believe. “worketh also in you that believe.” This “call” that the gospel has is only effective to those that believe. 2 Tim 1:9 talks of a call that is of God, I would describe it as an effectual call. “Who hath saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,” And this calling is “made manfest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:”

I don’t know if that is what you trying to say or not, but that is my belief on the gospel call.

I greatly appreciate your comments.

Philip

]]> Comment on The Effects of the Gospel by jde78 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-25 jde78 Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:25:26 +0000 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-25 Philip I like your point about "believing." It is true that belief does not make something effective or ineffective. It is God's decision, but all God has chosen will believe. Not that believing makes it effective, but the proof of election is faith, right? And God's calling is through or by the gospel. 2 Thess. 2:13-14 The encouragement to go on preaching the gospel and personally sharing the gospel to individuals is that there are elect out there who do not know it yet. Thanks for the good thoughts. PS I like A. W. Pinks writing as well. Josh Philip
I like your point about “believing.” It is true that belief does not make something effective or ineffective. It is God’s decision, but all God has chosen will believe. Not that believing makes it effective, but the proof of election is faith, right? And God’s calling is through or by the gospel. 2 Thess. 2:13-14 The encouragement to go on preaching the gospel and personally sharing the gospel to individuals is that there are elect out there who do not know it yet. Thanks for the good thoughts.
PS I like A. W. Pinks writing as well.
Josh

]]> Comment on Made Perfect Forever by oldbaptist http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/made-perfect-forever/#comment-15 oldbaptist Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:04:46 +0000 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/made-perfect-forever/#comment-15 Thank You. It is hard to imagine that he did that for me. Philip Thank You. It is hard to imagine that he did that for me.

Philip

]]> Comment on Made Perfect Forever by Tim A. Blankenship http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/made-perfect-forever/#comment-14 Tim A. Blankenship Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:25:40 +0000 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/made-perfect-forever/#comment-14 Philip, Good article. It is great to know that Jesus is the fulfillment of all those sacrifices which did not accomplish our salvation, but Jesus, in one death, paid our sin debt. WOW!!! DAD. Philip,
Good article.
It is great to know that Jesus is the fulfillment of all those sacrifices which did not accomplish our salvation, but Jesus, in one death, paid our sin debt.
WOW!!!
DAD.

]]> Comment on What makes a fruit tree a fruit tree? by Tim A. Blankenship http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/what-makes-a-fruit-tree-a-fruit-tree/#comment-11 Tim A. Blankenship Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:17:13 +0000 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/what-makes-a-fruit-tree-a-fruit-tree/#comment-11 Philip, You may be right about that one. It does say men gathered and burned. I guess that could be like letting the one be tormented by the devil, in his flesh, until he returns and bears fruit. There was a man put out of the church in 1 Cor. 5 who was given over to the devil. Could be the same thought. Philip,
You may be right about that one. It does say men gathered and burned. I guess that could be like letting the one be tormented by the devil, in his flesh, until he returns and bears fruit.
There was a man put out of the church in 1 Cor. 5 who was given over to the devil. Could be the same thought.

]]> Comment on What makes a fruit tree a fruit tree? by oldbaptist http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/what-makes-a-fruit-tree-a-fruit-tree/#comment-10 oldbaptist Sun, 03 Jun 2007 04:19:59 +0000 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/what-makes-a-fruit-tree-a-fruit-tree/#comment-10 Dad, What does it take to be a branch? If you are saying that the branch is man and he is cut off for not choosing Christ and cast into Hell, then the branch could never of had life to begin with. If the branch withered then it must of had life. Would you agree? Man in his natural state is spiritually dead. We are made alive when we are quickened. God will lose none of His children, therefore that branch that is burned cannot be talking about Hell. I think that this is talking about a child of God that has chosen not to follow after God and God chastens him and still doesn’t grow and comes to the point where he must be cut off. Whether that is by taking his natural life or putting him out of the church. My point is that if you are a part of the tree then you are a part of the tree. Even if you are cut off you still are a part of the tree, are you not? Earlier in the chapter it talks about pruning the branches so that they might bear fruit. I don’t think God is going to prune anything that doesn’t have the ability to bear. I do agree that we should abide in God, we should seek the favor of our Lord. And if we do that we will bear the fruit of the Spirit, but only God’s children has the ability to do so, and all of his children will bear at least some fruit I believe. Thank You for your comment, I appreciate you reading it. Philip Dad,
What does it take to be a branch? If you are saying that the branch is man and he is cut off for not choosing Christ and cast into Hell, then the branch could never of had life to begin with. If the branch withered then it must of had life. Would you agree? Man in his natural state is spiritually dead. We are made alive when we are quickened. God will lose none of His children, therefore that branch that is burned cannot be talking about Hell. I think that this is talking about a child of God that has chosen not to follow after God and God chastens him and still doesn’t grow and comes to the point where he must be cut off. Whether that is by taking his natural life or putting him out of the church. My point is that if you are a part of the tree then you are a part of the tree. Even if you are cut off you still are a part of the tree, are you not? Earlier in the chapter it talks about pruning the branches so that they might bear fruit. I don’t think God is going to prune anything that doesn’t have the ability to bear.
I do agree that we should abide in God, we should seek the favor of our Lord. And if we do that we will bear the fruit of the Spirit, but only God’s children has the ability to do so, and all of his children will bear at least some fruit I believe.
Thank You for your comment, I appreciate you reading it.
Philip

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