Comments on: The Effects of the Gospel http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/ And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:55:37 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: oldbaptist http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-55 oldbaptist Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:55:37 +0000 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-55 David, These are some of the thoughts that come to my mind when thinking of these particular verses. I will start with the phillipian jailor. This man was about to take his own life as he thought that the prisoners had escaped. If those prisoners would had escaped then the Romans would had tortured this man, and possibly his family as well. When they cried out to him and told him to stop, he said what must I do to be saved. I don't see how this could possibly be an eternal text. This man was worried about being tortured here on earth and was going to take his life unless there was some other way to be delivered "saved" from the torment he would recieve. They told him to believe in the Lord and he woud be saved. Saved from what the torment. He and his house. Do you believe that the faith of this man would save his family eternally? I would guess you don't believe that. I would guess that you would believe on the other hand that your faith in Christ would deliever your family from many things in life though. That is my take on that verse. As pertaining to Mark 16:16. First I want to go to John 5:24. He that heareth my word and believeth on him that sent me, HATH everlasting life. This verse ,clearly an eternal context, states that if you believe you, hath (already in possetion of) eternal life. I believe that there is salvation in hearing the gospel. Salvation just means deliverance. If you are saved you are delivered. They were told to go and preach the good news of what our saviour had done for those he loved to the gentiles. They could not know of what the lord had done unless some one told them. This what they were commanded to do. Those that are a child of God will rejoice to hear the Gospel. Those that believe the good news will be delivered from there sinful life and have a new master to follow and will know better how to serve their lord. Does it change the fact that the lord died for them if they believe it, No. Christ died to put away the sins of his people so that they could be Holy and without blame before him as he chose them to be before the foundation of the world. The gospel delivers them from some of the sorrows of this world and lets you know how much your saviour loved you that he loved you enough to die for YOU. Not just anybody but for YOU. You hath he quickened who were dead in trespasses and in sin. How can a dead man make a choice to become alive? Unless the spirit of God is placed in us we cannot make a choice to follow after him. We died when Adam died in the garden. If you eat of this fruit you shall surely die. We are spiritually dead until that spirit is placed in us. I'm sorry for the lenghthy reply but this topic is very near to my heart. I'm very thankful for what the lord has done for me. It brings great joy to my heart to know that God died to take MY sins away. Not just any one but for me. Despite my ugly sins and wrong doings He died for me when I deserve to go to hell and burn for eternity. He cast my sins away never to be remembered again. I certainly apprecitate your comments as it causes me to dig deeper and to remember these things that I studied very diligently before I came to understand them. May God Bless You in your studies, Philip David,
These are some of the thoughts that come to my mind when thinking of these particular verses. I will start with the phillipian jailor. This man was about to take his own life as he thought that the prisoners had escaped. If those prisoners would had escaped then the Romans would had tortured this man, and possibly his family as well. When they cried out to him and told him to stop, he said what must I do to be saved. I don’t see how this could possibly be an eternal text. This man was worried about being tortured here on earth and was going to take his life unless there was some other way to be delivered “saved” from the torment he would recieve. They told him to believe in the Lord and he woud be saved. Saved from what the torment. He and his house. Do you believe that the faith of this man would save his family eternally? I would guess you don’t believe that. I would guess that you would believe on the other hand that your faith in Christ would deliever your family from many things in life though. That is my take on that verse.

As pertaining to Mark 16:16. First I want to go to John 5:24. He that heareth my word and believeth on him that sent me, HATH everlasting life. This verse ,clearly an eternal context, states that if you believe you, hath (already in possetion of) eternal life. I believe that there is salvation in hearing the gospel. Salvation just means deliverance. If you are saved you are delivered. They were told to go and preach the good news of what our saviour had done for those he loved to the gentiles. They could not know of what the lord had done unless some one told them. This what they were commanded to do. Those that are a child of God will rejoice to hear the Gospel. Those that believe the good news will be delivered from there sinful life and have a new master to follow and will know better how to serve their lord. Does it change the fact that the lord died for them if they believe it, No. Christ died to put away the sins of his people so that they could be Holy and without blame before him as he chose them to be before the foundation of the world. The gospel delivers them from some of the sorrows of this world and lets you know how much your saviour loved you that he loved you enough to die for YOU. Not just anybody but for YOU.

You hath he quickened who were dead in trespasses and in sin. How can a dead man make a choice to become alive? Unless the spirit of God is placed in us we cannot make a choice to follow after him. We died when Adam died in the garden. If you eat of this fruit you shall surely die. We are spiritually dead until that spirit is placed in us.

I’m sorry for the lenghthy reply but this topic is very near to my heart. I’m very thankful for what the lord has done for me. It brings great joy to my heart to know that God died to take MY sins away. Not just any one but for me. Despite my ugly sins and wrong doings He died for me when I deserve to go to hell and burn for eternity. He cast my sins away never to be remembered again.

I certainly apprecitate your comments as it causes me to dig deeper and to remember these things that I studied very diligently before I came to understand them.

May God Bless You in your studies,
Philip

]]> By: David Oates http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-54 David Oates Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:34:34 +0000 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-54 Philip, Why when the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas what he must do to be saved did Paul not tell him he was already saved? (See Acts 16) What was the answer Paul gave him? "BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be (will be [future tense]) saved, and thy house." If what you have said is true, then were Paul and Silas being deceitful or were they telling an outright lie? They never, never, never said that he was already saved. They told him he would saved only AFTER he believed - not before. Jesus said in Mark 16:16 after telling the disciples to "preach the gospel to every creature; he that BELIEVETH and is baptized SHALL BE (future tense) SAVED." How come Jesus did not say a person will believe because they have been saved? I am not aware of any verse that says salvation comes before faith. However, there are numerous examples I can think of that state that faith, or belief, comes before salvation. I would like to know your thoughts on the Philippian jailer and Mark 16:16. David Philip,

Why when the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas what he must do to be saved did Paul not tell him he was already saved? (See Acts 16) What was the answer Paul gave him? “BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be (will be [future tense]) saved, and thy house.” If what you have said is true, then were Paul and Silas being deceitful or were they telling an outright lie? They never, never, never said that he was already saved. They told him he would saved only AFTER he believed – not before. Jesus said in Mark 16:16 after telling the disciples to “preach the gospel to every creature; he that BELIEVETH and is baptized SHALL BE (future tense) SAVED.” How come Jesus did not say a person will believe because they have been saved? I am not aware of any verse that says salvation comes before faith. However, there are numerous examples I can think of that state that faith, or belief, comes before salvation. I would like to know your thoughts on the Philippian jailer and Mark 16:16.

David

]]> By: oldbaptist http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-26 oldbaptist Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:51:48 +0000 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-26 Josh, I appreciate your comment. Pertaiing to your statement about God's calling being through the gospel. I would have to say there is a calling in the gospel, I would call it a gospel call, and there is also an effectual call. If you would notice that this calling in 1Thess. 2:13-14 is a call of people who already believe. "worketh also in you that believe." This "call" that the gospel has is only effective to those that believe. 2 Tim 1:9 talks of a call that is of God, I would describe it as an effectual call. "Who hath saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began," And this calling is "made manfest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:" I don't know if that is what you trying to say or not, but that is my belief on the gospel call. I greatly appreciate your comments. Philip Josh,
I appreciate your comment.

Pertaiing to your statement about God’s calling being through the gospel. I would have to say there is a calling in the gospel, I would call it a gospel call, and there is also an effectual call. If you would notice that this calling in 1Thess. 2:13-14 is a call of people who already believe. “worketh also in you that believe.” This “call” that the gospel has is only effective to those that believe. 2 Tim 1:9 talks of a call that is of God, I would describe it as an effectual call. “Who hath saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,” And this calling is “made manfest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:”

I don’t know if that is what you trying to say or not, but that is my belief on the gospel call.

I greatly appreciate your comments.

Philip

]]> By: jde78 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-25 jde78 Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:25:26 +0000 http://oldbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/the-effects-of-the-gospel/#comment-25 Philip I like your point about "believing." It is true that belief does not make something effective or ineffective. It is God's decision, but all God has chosen will believe. Not that believing makes it effective, but the proof of election is faith, right? And God's calling is through or by the gospel. 2 Thess. 2:13-14 The encouragement to go on preaching the gospel and personally sharing the gospel to individuals is that there are elect out there who do not know it yet. Thanks for the good thoughts. PS I like A. W. Pinks writing as well. Josh Philip
I like your point about “believing.” It is true that belief does not make something effective or ineffective. It is God’s decision, but all God has chosen will believe. Not that believing makes it effective, but the proof of election is faith, right? And God’s calling is through or by the gospel. 2 Thess. 2:13-14 The encouragement to go on preaching the gospel and personally sharing the gospel to individuals is that there are elect out there who do not know it yet. Thanks for the good thoughts.
PS I like A. W. Pinks writing as well.
Josh

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